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Pengun valve
Posted: Mon Sep 09, 2013 9:06 am
by finland66
Hello
I am making pengun for something like 60 bar mayby unreg co2. But shrader valve won't work becose its hard to push open. Have anybody any ideas for the valve.
Posted: Mon Sep 09, 2013 9:30 am
by jackssmirkingrevenge
Here's one idea I had:
From
this thread.
Posted: Mon Sep 09, 2013 9:46 am
by Technician1002
That design will need a stop to prevent the piston valve from ejecting. How is it fired?
A slight modification attaching the piston to the "pen button" so pulling the button also pulls the piston would work. A re-coloring of the button to match the piston color could represent them moving as a unit. A slight modification to make the piston able to move on the trigger and it would become a QDV.
The aprox 30 psi per pump stroke is not linear. It will roll off to a max pressure of the compression ratio of the pump. Compression ratio = pump volume / dead volume. In other words when all the air from the pump stroke volume is able to fit compressed into the dead spaces by the o rings, around the pump, in the check valve tube, and stops going through the check valve due to equal pressures.
Posted: Mon Sep 09, 2013 10:05 am
by finland66
Thanks
Jsr is your desing triggeret by pulling that "pen button." Mayby i also cant put one of these
http://www.valve-push-button.com/ but are they hard to push at high pressures?
Posted: Mon Sep 09, 2013 12:41 pm
by jackssmirkingrevenge
Technician1002 wrote:A slight modification attaching the piston to the "pen button" so pulling the button also pulls the piston would work.
Look closely, the button is threaded to the piston, the idea is that you pull it to fire - it is a QDV
The aprox 30 psi per pump stroke is not linear.
Hence my "very roughly" notation
Hmmm... let's look at this:
http://valve-push-button.com/magento/pu ... tball.html
Rated for 54 bar.
Button force to open valve at 800 psi pressure drop = 30lbs.
By comparison, typical trigger pull for a firearm is around 5lbs....
Posted: Mon Sep 09, 2013 1:12 pm
by finland66
Damn I'l need body trainer to shoot my gun
Any other ideas wich allows filling from schrader.
Edit: schrader where I gone fill the gun wont have core if not needed
Posted: Mon Sep 09, 2013 1:25 pm
by jackssmirkingrevenge
finland66 wrote:Damn I'l need body trainer to shoot my gun
Any other ideas wich allows filling from schrader.
Here you go, this time colour coded for clarity

Posted: Mon Sep 09, 2013 1:40 pm
by finland66
Thanks a lot good idea I'l just make chamber bigger. By the way i think that this could work too
Posted: Mon Sep 09, 2013 2:37 pm
by jackssmirkingrevenge
Posted: Mon Sep 09, 2013 11:21 pm
by finland66
Okey many thanks lots of usefulli info. I'l start to do something
