Okay, so a lot of people make piston valves by pushing the barrel pipe past the part of the tee that leads to the chamber such as in valves like Schmanman's Swat Gun. My post here is concerning valves with porting close to that of the tee they're housed in. Take a 3 inch porting valve in a 4 inch tee. In this case if the barrel pipe is pushed past the chamber port then you would not get full flow off of the valve because of the surface area the air is allowed around. The 3 inch pipe would cut 3.08 pi of surface area away from the chamber inlet allowing only .92 pi of surface area of air around it. Therefor in pistons like this you would need to leave the barrel pipe before the chamber inlet, or at least only partially around it.
This problem arises with several different sizes such as .75" and 1", 1" and 1.5", 1.5" and 2", 2" and 2.5", 2.5" and 3", and 3" and 4".
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Wow. I never though of that. This creates a HUGE restriction.
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Exactly what I was saying. I'm just warning people that would attempt making a valve like schmanman's and end up getting performance like a ball valve. As long as they have it only about halfway past the opening it should be plenty fine.
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While we are on a topic of pistons...has anyone found a good piston for a 3" tee? Alot of people who use 3" tee's like gort.....Make there pistons,But my piston in my Dam Buster breaks everynow and then, so I was wondering has anoyone found a good fit piston for a 3" tee.
Isnt that called a barrel sealing valve...
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A whole bag of hot glue sticks works well. If you can get ahold of a lathe, even for a little while, a 4x4 is turned into a piston really quick. Just don't use really soft woods like redwood. Some steel cans from canned food work good such as baked beans or fruit coctail. Or, if you want a really heavy and really weak piston just melt some lead down and use it a s a piston. I'm not sure about bondo but it might work. A flat piece of pvc strung up on some all-thread would work. I guess you might be able to use a hole saw since those come in vastly different sizes, just put it on a piece of all thread. Need any more ideas?
oh, and scope, I'm talking about a specific kind of barrel sealing valve. I'm not that dumb........well actually I'm not that dumb all the time.......
oh, and scope, I'm talking about a specific kind of barrel sealing valve. I'm not that dumb........well actually I'm not that dumb all the time.......
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In all of my piston valves, I always put the barrel portion of the seal halfway through the tee. Farther from the modified bushing, and it will create restriction (as you said). Closer to the modified bushing, and the piston will not seal properly.
I noticed you listed a lot of barrel sizes with corresponding chamber sizes that will cause this restriction. Just imagine the valve as being coaxial rather than tee'd. You would never have a tennis ball barrel inside of 3" pipe; there would be barely any chamber. This is somewhat unrelated, but it is a good rule of thumb if you like to build barrel-sealers with the barrel portion extended far backwards
I noticed you listed a lot of barrel sizes with corresponding chamber sizes that will cause this restriction. Just imagine the valve as being coaxial rather than tee'd. You would never have a tennis ball barrel inside of 3" pipe; there would be barely any chamber. This is somewhat unrelated, but it is a good rule of thumb if you like to build barrel-sealers with the barrel portion extended far backwards
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I Might have to extend the barrel further then the opening like schmanman because of the small 'lip' inside all pressure tees that stops the pistons so you have to make 2 parts to the piston like the supah valve.
I dont have a lathe so at the moment I have no way of over-coming this lip thingy.
I dont have a lathe so at the moment I have no way of over-coming this lip thingy.
Haha sorry man my bad..
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Oh, that's simple, all you have to do is remove the stop in the tee and sleeve a piece of pipe all the way through it. Then your piston can slide the whole way easily. Just use a dremel or a hole saw. The later would probably be the best idea.
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